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Wednesday, January 10, 2007

Switching from KDE to WinXP #2

In late December of 2005, my work computer was replaced with a new one but it was not the joyous event it sounds like. My previous computer ran KDE on Linux. The new one had WindowsXP and installing Linux was not an option.

So I have been using WinXP for over a year now. In my first article I compared KDE and WinXP and discussed some of the frustrations involved in making the switch. In this article, I go into copious detail about file managers.

Note on screenshots

I apologize for the MS Windows XP screenshots in this article. As you will soon see, they are all in Japanese. The only MS Windows XP machines I have access to are Japanese language ones at work. I do not know why but for some reason there is no way to change them to English. I tried. The computer support people at work tried. We cannot change it. So the screenshots are all in Japanese. Usually the picture is more important than any text in it however.

Konqueror & Explorer

The file manager is the base of the GUI. MS WinXP uses Explorer; KDE has Konqueror. Both are file managers but Konqueror has many more features that make it much more useful. The differences are so great that it is hard for me to think of Konqueror and Explorer as the same sort of program.

There are no Explorer features that Konqueror doesn’t also have. At least none that I have found. Konqueror, however, has many features that I use almost every day in KDE but that Explorer doesn’t have at all. Here are six of them:

  • Split Views — speed up drag and drop file management.
  • Tabs — save desktop space. Especially useful when combined with split views and saved in a profile.
  • Profiles — are bookmarks for a powerful, feature-rich file manager.
  • Filtering — lets you see just the file types you are interested in.
  • Embedding — allows you to view and possible modify many types of files right in a Konqueror window or tab.
  • File Size View — graphically represents files and directories based on how much space they take up.

Split Views

Konqueror’s “split view” does just that — split the window in two or more, vertically or horizontally. Great for dragging and dropping without having to open another window. Combined with profiles, this is a huge time saver. The closest thing to split views in Explorer is “split pane view", but split pane view is less flexible and less useful. All it is, in my experience, is a folder tree view in a sidebar. Each view in KDE behaves like a fully functional, independent, file manager window.

A Konqueror window split into four, showing icons in regular and list view, with thumbnails on, and file size view.

An explorer window in “split pane view”.

Tabs

If you are not familiar with tabs, basically they allow you to have two or more web pages open in one program window. This saves screen space and I believe some memory (since the pages are sharing the same window). You switch between them by clicking on the “tabs” at the top of the window.

Konqueror with 4 tabs opened.

Anyone who is familiar with Opera, Firefox, or MS Internet Explorer 7 will understand Konqueror’s use of tabs. They are the same thing, extended to the file manager. Like multiple desktops, tabs are quite useful once you get used to them. Konqueror has them for file browsing as well as web page viewing (thanks to embedding). Explorer doesn’t have tabs at all. Another case of “want it and don’t have it"

Tabs reduce clutter because I don’t need to have as many windows open. They increase my productivity because I can group related folders or web pages together in a single window. For example, working on an article like this, I might have the base directory open in one tab, the images directory open in another tab, and view the article as html in a third tab, all in one window on Desktop 3. That alone makes me more productive.

Further, a setup like I described above means I rarely have to go searching for the window I want, even though I might have 4 other Konqueror windows open on other desktops. Switching between tabs is also usually fast because the tabs will almost always be very close to each other near the top of the window — not scattered at random with all the other programs in the taskbar.

Profiles

Profiles are like advanced bookmarks that save the URLs plus window size, tabs, and split views of a Konqueror window. You can call it up again later from the profiles menu. Combined with split views and tabs, this is an extremely useful feature.

I have one profile called “News” that opens a larger-than-usual Konqueror window with several of my favorite news sites in tabs. Another profile, which I named “Incoming Pics” opens a Konqueror window split into three, one for the directory on the USB memory stick from my camera, another for the directory where I temporarily keep the pictures while I rename them and rotate them if necessary. The final view is set to the directory where I keep all my pictures. One click, one window, and I can do all the file management things I need to do with my new pictures.

Explorer does not have this. Not that it matters since Explorer doesn’t have tabs or useful split views either.

Filtering

Filtering allows you to see just the file types you are interested in. Want to move a bunch of pictures to another directory but there are a bunch of other files (PDFs, word processing documents, text files, whatever) in the directory with those pictures? Just filter on “JPEG images” and that is all you will see. Now you can easily select all of the images. But only if you are using Konqueror — Explorer doesn’t have filtering. The closest it comes is arranging icons by type which still makes it hard to choose just the files you want.

Filtering in Konqueror (Before).

Filtering in Konqueror (After).

It is easy to see how filtering helps you get more done faster and more easily. The only improvement I would suggest is the addition of a generic “All Images” or “All Word Processing Documents” option, to save having to select each file type individually.

Embedding

Embedding means that instead of opening a file in an external program, that file can be viewed (and maybe modified) in Konqueror. Click on an HTML file, for example, and Konqueror displays it as a web page right then and there in the same window. In fact, Konqueror is just as much a web browser as it is a file manager. Press the back button or the up button, and you are back where you started, in file browser mode. Konqueror can embed a large number of file types. Basically, if there is a KDE program that understands a file format (JPG, PDF, ZIP, etc), chances are that it can be viewed in Konqueror.

Ironically, embedding really is just a logical use of “integration", of which MS is so famous for claiming the benefits. KDE does the “integration” thing right. The only embedding I can find in Explorer is it’s support for browsing zip files as if they were directories. Of course Konqueror does this also (and for more file types).

I have found embedding extremely useful when working on web pages — I can view an image or a web page in Konqueror and see updates easily while still being able to quickly open the page in an editor or some other program without having to constantly switch between a web browser and a file browser. The web browser is the file manager.

File Size View

File Size View, with pop-up window information

This one is unusual. “File size view” shows the data in a directory not as icons or thumbnails or a list, but as a graphical representation of how much space each file or directory takes up. Took me a while to really figure it out, to be honest. Now I use it fairly often and it has really proved itself. It is a simple, graphical way to answer the perennial question “What the heck is taking up so much room in this directory?” When you need to answer that question, nothing is as helpful as file size view.

File size view is, as the name says, a view. Views are just ways of displaying the data in the file browser window. Usually they involve icons — big ones, small ones, icons in columns, icons with thumbnails, that sort of thing. File size view is special because it doesn’t use icons at all.

Icons and Thumbnails

In Konqueror it is easy to change the size of the icons. Just press the magnifying glass with plus sign on the toolbar for bigger icons and the magnifying glass with minus sign for smaller icons. There are about five sizes available. Explorer does not have this and cannot do this. A default icon size can be set in the control panel, but not on-the-fly in a window.

In Konqueror thumbnails can be turned on and off just as easily as icon sizes can be changed. You can have about five sizes of thumbnail and switch between them quickly and easily. In Explorer, as far as I can tell, you have only one size of thumbnail, unless you go and change your default icon size.

In KDE, you can tell Konqueror what file types you want to see thumbnails for. I don’t like thumbnails for movies or any sort of text or word processing file so I have it set to only show thumbnails for images and then only if they are smaller than about 4 meg in size. Unfortunately, you cannot do this with Explorer. In WinXP, thumbnails is all or nothing.

Oddly enough, WinXP can show thumbnails of OpenOffice.org documents but not MS Office documents. Very strange that.

Copying and Moving

Here are some miscellaneous observations on the ways that Konqueror and Explorer handle copying and moving files, both through drag-and-drop and keyboard shortcuts.

I want a left-button drag-and-drop action to default to a menu asking whether to copy, move, or link (or something else when appropriate). KDE allows this but I cannot find a way to make this the default in WinXP. I know you can get the menu by right-button dragging, but that isn’t what I want. Sure, you can argue that the right button is for context menus and thus the WinXP way is therefore “correct”. I would reply that the left button is for dragging, not the right button. Whatever, KDE allows the user to do it the way he wants to. WinXP doesn’t.

Does WinXP have a “copy to” or “move to” right click menu? I seem to recall seeing something about it once but cannot find it now. KDE has them and they are sometimes quite handy. “Send To” is close but the defaults are pathetic and it not easy to customize.

The screenshot below shows the “copy to” and “move to” items. You chose a destination folder and the item you clicked on is either copied there or moved there. Very handy for quick file management without opening new windows.

Right click in KDE and you have “move to” and “copy to” options.

Right click in WinXP and there is no copy to or move to option.

The “copy to” or “move to” menus are also in the right click menu when you view an embedded file (like a web page or an image). So it is easy to quickly copy the file without going through the usual “save file as” menu.

In WinXP, the “copying” and “moving” progress windows can be moved around the desktop but not always minimized. Some windows have the usual buttons (maximize, minimize, close) but others do not. I have not been able to figure out when a copy or move progress window will have a minimize button and when it won’t. Even when you can minimize the window though, it doesn’t minimize to the taskbar but to the desktop, above the Start menu. Why should it do that? Anyhow, this is annoying since with only one desktop, the copying/moving window is constantly in the way.

The “Moving” window in WinXP. Notice there is no minimize button.

The “Copying” window in WinXP. Notice there is no minimize button.

Drag and drop a folder from a compressed file in WinXP and suddenly the “Copying” window has a minimize button.

But it doesn’t minimize to the task bar. Instead, it ends up above the start menu. Looks like something out of MS Windows 3.1 to me.

There is no “auto skip” option when copying or moving files in WinXP. When you are moving several files and there are one or more existing files with the same name as ones you are copying or moving, your only options are to skip each individually, allow all, or cancel. KDE has those options plus “auto skip”, which does just that — automatically skip any files that already exist.

When you copy and then paste a file in the same directory, Explorer will give it a default name like “copy of whatever”. Konqueror gives you a warning that a file with that name already exists and prompts for a new name. I prefer Konqueror’s way since I am always going to rename the file anyway and having it prompt me for a name saves me a couple of clicks.

File Information

I prefer Konqueror’s pop-up file information to Explorer’s sidebar approach because it is a better use of space and because the information I need is closer to where I am already looking.

The way it works is that in file browser mode hovering the cursor over an icon will cause a small information window to pop up, complete with a thumbnail of the file’s contents. This is similar to Explorer’s sidebar in WinXP. The benefit is that Konqueror does not require you to set aside a fifth or more of your window’s real estate permanently to the information window. Instead, you see the information when you want it (by hovering), you don’t see it when you don’t want it, and it doesn’t waste valuable real estate, ever.

Explorer defaults to moving (or removing) directories associated with downloaded HTML files when you move (or remove) the HTML file. This is unforgivable. The GUI should always ask first before (re)moving anything that I did not specifically tell it to (re)move.

Miscellaneous Comments

There is no option to delete vs move to trash. KDE gives you the option to have either, both, or neither in your right click menu and also whether or not you want to confirm the action. Personally, I want to confirm removing things but not when I move stuff to the trash. In KDE, this is easy to do. In WinXP, it isn’t.

You cannot paste clipboard content straight to a new file in Explorer. For example, copy some text from a web page and then go to an Explorer window and hit “paste”. Nothing happens. In Konqueror it asks for a name for the clipboard content and then automagically create a file for it. Very useful.

Pasting from the clipboard to a new file.

Similar to the point above, copying a file in Konqueror and then pasting it into a text input field pastes the file name with the full path. In WinXP, nothing happens. Pasting a file into a text field is just ignored.

I don’t understand why the “open in new window” option is called “Explorer” in Explorer. In Konqueror, right there at the top of the right-click menu are — “Open in New Window” and “Open in New Tab”. In Explorer, however, it is not “Open in Explorer”. Not “Open in New Explorer Window”. Just “Explorer”. Very poorly labelled. Also, it ignores your preferences because on my computer at least, the new window opens in split pane view even though I have that turned off.

Right Click on a folder in KDE.

Right Click on a folder in WinXP. Where is the option to open the folder in a new window?

Conclusion

I have looked at several features that KDE’s Konqueror has but that WinXP’s Explorer doesn’t have. I have also mentioned a few of the things I don’t like about Explorer and often why I think Konqueror’s way of doing it is better. You may have noticed that there is nothing positive about Explorer. That is true and it is not for lack of trying. The fact is, for me, the way I work, there is just nothing special about Explorer. I didn’t find any feature that struck me as being especially cool or useful that Konqueror didn’t also have.

Switching from KDE to WindowsXP at work has seriously impaired my productivity. This is not just because of Explorer, of course. My next article will look at some of the other programs that come with KDE and WinXP.

posted by Osugi Sakae at 06:06  

37 Comments

  1. Konqueror is very powerful but no intuitive. I started using it and after several months knew about only 15% of its functions. I must say that I haven’t found good file manager in Linux yet.

    Comment by SirMike — January 11, 2007 @ 12:40

  2. This is an excellent comparison!

    [name & uri removed by admin on 15 Jan]

    Comment by Anonymous — January 11, 2007 @ 13:31

  3. Excellent and really great article. Best I have ever seen on the web.

    [edited to remove inappropriate content]

    Comment by Abe — January 11, 2007 @ 14:00

  4. 1. No name calling or other insults.

    2. Thank you for the comments. I agree that Konqueror has lots of features but I don’t think it is harder to use because of that. Konqueror has the FISH protocol for securely managing files over a network. New or casual users may not even know it is there. “Power users” can take advantage of it. Explorer just doesn’t have it, cannot do it.

    Comment by Osugi Sakae — January 11, 2007 @ 15:01

  5. Thanks for the article.

    One *extremely* important thing I can’t find in Nautilus, Konqueror, etc is displaying ID3 tags for MP3’s. In Windows Explorer I can show artist, album title, etc.

    This feature of Explorer makes it extremely handy when you’ve got hundreds of mp3’s which are not intuitively named. I can sort by album title, then name / organize appropriately. I know Amarok and others show ID3 information, but they definitely are not file managers.

    If anyone could suggest an equivalent to this for file management in Linux I’d be very grateful.

    (btw, I’m running Gnome on both Fedora & Gentoo)

    Comment by Koff — January 11, 2007 @ 15:14

  6. I’m afraid that you only touched on some of the great things about Konqueror when compared to Windows Explorer:
    1) Browsing your filesystem vs the Internet is seamless. Have tabs open for both. Bookmarks too. This eliminates the Windows Explorer/Internet Explorer dichotomy.
    2) Konqueror is loaded with support for a variety of protocols, provided you can remember them. Need to browse that remote ssh account? fish: is your man! Wanna access your Windows box? Use rdp! There are a ton of others, and if you are aware of them you can do some amazing things that would leave your Windows cohorts picking their jaws up off the floor.

    Comment by Steve — January 11, 2007 @ 15:23

  7. […] Osugi Sakae wrote: […]

    Pingback by UNIX-WORLD NEWS : Switching from KDE to WinXP: Konqueror vs Explorer — January 11, 2007 @ 16:31

  8. Konqueror rules!

    Some tips found here:

    http://en.opensuse.org/Konqueror_Tips_and_Tricks

    Anyhow, it doesn’t mention rdp: and I didn’t know rdp could be called from Konqueror–learn something new every day!!

    Thanks for a good article !!

    –Dietrich

    Comment by Dietrich — January 11, 2007 @ 16:41

  9. The killer for me is when copying a lot of files/trees in Windows. You start the copy, and it gets somewhere into the middle of the process only to find that there’s some file it can’t copy because it’s in use or for some other reason. Explorer does not give you the option to skip the file and continue; it just … stops. Since you don’t know what has and hasn’t been copied successfully, you have to start all over again, but this time, doing it folder by folder, file by file, forcing you to babysit the process, wasting your time doing a process the computer should be able to do. Arg! Konqueror is so much better in this regard.

    Comment by Kent — January 11, 2007 @ 17:10

  10. If you’re stuck in Windows-land, the best news I can get you is that there is TotalCommander. Do yourself a favour and download it – you may even want to pay the small shareware fee. TC is the one program that kept me from moving to Linux for quite a while. It’s the most versatile and extendable twin-panel file manager there is, and it’s great. Quick (even runs quicker than Konq under Wine…), has most of the things you mention with Konq., either out of the box or through plugins.
    Oh, I forgot to say: good review. Although the competition wasn’t exactly fair…

    Comment by eyolf — January 11, 2007 @ 18:10

  11. The article is not entirely correct (not that it changes the overall picture).

    Copying and Moving : of course there are right click options for both moving and copying, they even appear to be in the screenshot, they just happen to be japanese. When I compare them to my popup menu, they are the two options which are grouped together (followed by a group of 3 and a last single entry).

    Also, there is an auto-skip option, whenever a file exists there is a popup window asking whether to skip it, to replace it or to replace all files, if you press shift while clicking the “skip” button, all future files which already exist will be skipped too.

    As for having a right click option to open a folder you selected, well for me it is called “Open” and is the very first option in the popup menu, so it too does exist.

    All in all, you should at least have found the right entries in the context menus, unless you have some trouble with japanese.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 11, 2007 @ 22:35

  12. Koff: Konqueror displays the ID3 tags in both MP3s and Oggs just fine for me. Make sure you’re using a current version.

    Comment by Grishnakh — January 11, 2007 @ 22:40

  13. Another good (IMHO) file managers for KDE are Dolphin – small and somewhat similar to explorer, but with real split view, and Krusader – powerful and very much like Total Commander.

    Comment by Jimmy — January 12, 2007 @ 00:03

  14. Anonymous Message 11
    Please read the article properly before commenting.
    It clearly states that there are no “copy to” or “move to” options
    NOT “copy” and “move”.
    In windows you have to select copy then navigate to the required area and then paste. In Konq you just select copy to and put the file exactly where you want it directly from the right click menu.

    Comment by Aaron — January 12, 2007 @ 00:50

  15. Hi Grishnakh,

    I *thought* I had poured through every preference screen in Konq and couldn’t find the option.

    I just spent 45 minutes in Konqueror trying to find the option to display ‘artist’, ‘album title’, etc.

    I did manage to show MimeType, but that doesn’t help all that much.

    If you mind can you please tell me how you enabled viewing ID3 information? I am hoping to be able to view that in View Mode of Tree View or Info List.

    Thanks :-)

    Koff

    Comment by Koff — January 12, 2007 @ 03:59

  16. Oh, I should have mentioned I’m using Konq version 3.5.5 under Gnome in Gentoo.

    Thanks again for any suggestions / tips.

    Comment by Koff — January 12, 2007 @ 04:00

  17. In Windows98SE, to delete a file you KNOW you want deleted, press Shift and click the File–> Delete selection to get a nag screen that says, “Do you really want to delete Thisfile?”
    Then click the Yes button, of course.
    That might help you with one small aggravation in Windows. All the rest is quite valid. Very well-written article!

    Comment by Ken — January 12, 2007 @ 04:46

  18. Anonymous Message #11,

    Thank you for pointing out that shift-click will auto skip. I didn’t know that it was even an option on WinXP. Strange that MS didn’t give it it’s own button.

    Aaron is right, I am not talking about copy and cut. In the screen shot, the Japanese says kiritori (T) – cut – and kopi (C) – copy – but those are the usual items, they are not “copy to” or “move to”. Take a look at the KDE screen shot again. It has a fold-out menu showing folders on the computer. Choose one of those and the file you clicked on is moved/copied to that folder. No need to open a new window or to navigate anywhere other than that menu.

    Also, the item at the top in the Japanese screen shot is in fact “open” (hiraku) as you say. However, I was talking about “open in new window”. WinXP may have a global option to always open in a new window. In fact, I think it does. But on my computer the default is to open in the same window. Sometimes I want to open a new window in the folder I am in or in a subfolder of where I am. This is what I am referring to – getting a *new* window at the current location. As I said in the article, in WinXP that option is called “explorer” and it is not only poorly labeled, but it ignores your preferences. KDE is clearly labeled and respects your preferences.

    Comment by Osugi Sakae — January 12, 2007 @ 05:28

  19. Koff,

    In Konqueror on my system you just need to go into Info List View. There is an icon for it in the toolbar (you may have to click and hold so that all of the options – text view, detailed list view, info list view, and maybe more – are shown).

    In info list view, it shows all the usual good info. I have mostly ogg, but it works fine for those. If you have mp3 support on your system, I imagine that it would work fine for them as well.

    One thing though. If you have a lot of different file types in the directory, you might have to go to “View” and then “View As” and select MP3.

    I have put a screen shot at :
    http://osugisakae.com/screenshots/info-list-view.png

    it is a bit big – 300k or so.

    Comment by Osugi Sakae — January 12, 2007 @ 05:43

  20. Jimmy and eyolf,

    Krusader is really good. I didn’t know about Dolphin or Total Commander. Will give them a look. Especially on WinXP, anything would be better than Explorer.

    As for fair, is there a fair comparison? My next article is on the other apps and it isn’t pretty. AmaroK vs WMP! Notepad or even Wordpad vs Kate! Maybe Outlook vs Kontact or KMail would be close to fair but I have never used Outlook so cannot write that review.

    Comment by Osugi Sakae — January 12, 2007 @ 05:50

  21. Wow – thank you!

    I’m tied up at work on a project for the next 30 minutes or so, but after that I’m going to press onwards with trying to replicate your screenshot :-)

    Btw, I really appreciate you taking the time to help out.

    Koff

    Comment by Koff — January 12, 2007 @ 07:40

  22. Nice article Chris. Very patiently explained.

    I have found Konqui to be excellent as a file manager but very pathetic as a web browser. I have a cable modem connection to the web and my PC is behind a Netgear router.

    I get frequent timeouts when I am browsing that I have totally stopped using it for browsing. Do you have issues while browsing? I do not have any such issues with Firefox/Opera/Flock/Seamonkey in PCLos .93 but with Konqueror it has been a totally different story

    Comment by Third Eye — January 12, 2007 @ 13:29

  23. Hi,

    Can you tell me what View Mode you are in with Konq from that screenshot?

    Settings -> Load View Profile
    and
    View -> View Mode

    I’m still not able to show ID3 :S

    I’m not giving up – you’ve shown me it can be done – but I just can’t seem to make it happen on either Fedora Konq or Gentoo Konq.

    Thanks,

    Drew

    Comment by Koff — January 12, 2007 @ 15:17

  24. Koff,

    The View Profile is just regular file management. The view mode is “info list view”. I checked it just now with some mp3s and it works fine. Shows title, album, bitrate, year, comment, all the usual data.

    I am using Gentoo so unless you have some funky use flags, I cannot understand why it wouldn’t be working. Looking at my use flags, I don’t have any that look mp3-specific, not even anything about lame, so if mine can show the mp3info …

    Hold on a sec. On gentoo do you have mp3info installed? That might be necessary. If you don’t have it, emerge it and see if that doesn’t solve the problem. Here is the install info from my system:

    [I] media-sound/mp3info
    Available versions: 0.8.4-r1 ~0.8.4-r2
    Installed: 0.8.4-r1(20:02:01 10/16/06)(-gtk)
    Homepage: http://ibiblio.org/mp3info/
    Description: An MP3 technical info viewer and ID3 1.x tag editor

    Hope this helps.

    Comment by Osugi Sakae — January 12, 2007 @ 17:07

  25. Third Eye,

    I don’t recall ever seeing anything like that. Not that only affected Konqueror at least. For the last year or longer, Konqueror has been my main browser and while it does have trouble with more sites than Firefox those sites are not ones that I go to very often. For day-to-day browsing, Konqueror is working fine for me.

    Sorry I cannot offer any suggestions on your problem but I am not very knowledgable about networking.

    Comment by Osugi Sakae — January 12, 2007 @ 17:20

  26. > Does WinXP have a “copy to” or “move to”
    > right click menu? I seem to recall seeing
    > something about it once but cannot find
    > it now.

    No and yes. It’s not a standard component, but if you install the Win95 “powertoys”, one of the add-ins handles adding that sort of feature. Now that I think of it, I haven’t use Windows enough lately to remember if that exact “send-to” is in there. It *does* have “send to clipboard as contents” and “send to clipboard as name”, which I have made much use of over the years.

    Comment by James E. LaBarre — January 12, 2007 @ 19:36

  27. To Koff : In order to have MP3/OGG/etc file support within Konqueror, you must have kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins package installed…

    Comment by Glennie Vignarajah — January 13, 2007 @ 02:05

  28. Hi Osugi (Chris?) and Glennie,

    Thank you! For the first time in all the years I’ve used Linux I’m seeing ID3 information in Konqueror!

    I’m very grateful for your help and suggestions!

    Comment by Koff — January 13, 2007 @ 07:00

  29. Somewhat unfair to compare the powerful Konqueror with the “we need a filemanager, so let’s hack one fast together” thing XP comes with. That’s like comparing Kate with Notepad, Konsole with those XP “fake-prompt-application”, Krita with Paint or Quanta with Frontpage.

    Comment by anon — January 13, 2007 @ 10:22

  30. Anonymous Message #11

    As for the skipping of files being copied/moved in Windows Explorer: agreed that this can be done in the case where a file of the same name exists in the target folder. What I think Kent was talking about in #9, though, is the case where the source file can not be accessed (e.g. in a move operation where the source file is in use). In this case the whole operation just dies as described. I have run into this plenty of times myself.

    Comment by Jochen — January 13, 2007 @ 15:32

  31. Koff,

    Great! How did you get it working? Was it kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins?

    BTW, my name is Chris. Osugi Sakae is a sort of pseudonym that I have been using online since as long as I’ve been online I think. Either name is fine with me. (Check out the about page for more details.)

    Comment by Osugi Sakae — January 13, 2007 @ 18:59

  32. Hi Chris,

    It was the kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins I think.

    As a side-note… I work with a bunch of “Linux Uber Geeks” but everyone uses Gnome (myself included). I had asked around if anyone knew how to display ID3 / meta-information in Konq, but everyone just shrugged… The long-sought ID3 tag was the *only* reason I had kept Windows around :-)

    Thanks again for the help,
    Koff {Texas}

    Comment by Koff — January 13, 2007 @ 21:57

  33. I don’t have much experience with Gnome. Used KDE back when it was 1.0 or something like that (around 1999 or 2000), then switched to lighter window managers – Window Maker and Fluxbox mostly – until coming back to KDE sometime around 2004. Don’t know why, just never got into Gnome. Of course, for a long time there was no one around here (Kanazawa) who was using Linux at all, much less Gnome or KDE. So no one to influence me one way of the other.

    Comment by Osugi Sakae — January 13, 2007 @ 23:19

  34. I don’t know why I really moved from KDE to Gnome. I used KDE on RH 7.1 many moons ago, and at that time I thought KDE > Gnome.

    I’ve gotten used to Gnome, and somehow KDE just doesn’t feel right. It’s weird though, I use K3B, Konq, and a really awesome file mgr called Krusader.

    My wife agreed to let me replace XP on her laptop with Linux, so I’m thinking about giving KDE another go on that machine. Kubuntu maybe, but the whole ‘no root account’ thing with Ubuntu kind of makes me wary of that Distro.

    Comment by Koff — January 20, 2007 @ 21:33

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